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When you start to step into the world of becoming a remarkable Man, a lot of things change. Life becomes easier, work becomes fun, and you start to attract high-quality women. Other guys, just like you, are attracted to high-quality women.

It easily brings up fears, doubts, insecurities, problems, and challenges that whilst you might have dealt with in some small way previously, you might not have faced on this kind of level.

How do you deal with them texting her, calling her, wanting to spend time with her? And how do you deal with the inevitable jealousy and insecurities that naturally appear in your life? Control her relationships with the guys, control her contact with these friends, and control her communication with these dudes. You check her text messages. You listen in when she makes phone calls. You can complain about how insecure it makes you feel because you know they want to sleep with her and how she needs to stop it.

The problem with The Outer strategy is that it only really works on insecure women with no options. Is that the kind of woman you want? When you imagine your perfect future, do you wake up every day next to a needy and dependent woman who allows everyone else in her life control her actions? The plumber who turns up to fix the blocked pipe is going to be a guy.

Spending your life trying to control the people she spends time with The Outer is a flawed and painful strategy and is never going to allow you to create an incredible relationship with a high-quality woman.

The best case scenario is that you have to spend the rest of your life being paranoid and constantly monitoring how your partner is living her life. The worst case scenario is you end up with a dependent, weak, needy woman who eventually leaves you for some other jerk. The Outer strategy dealt with everything outside your control, namely her, her communication, and her friends. The Inner strategy deals with everything inside your control, namely: There are plenty of high-quality, trustworthy women on this planet.

You know how I know? How much time to do you think George Clooney spends worrying about whether or not that guy in the office down the hall from his wife wants to sleep with her? Like the most attractive guy any girl you know has ever met. When you think about your future, in particular, your future relationships, which of these two options sounds more like the life you want to live?

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This hurts beyond belief. It all started when my girlfriend started working with people with learning disabilities, I was pleased for her as I could see how much she was enjoying her new role.

I was exremely disappointed because I knew she was purposely trying to provoke me. So then, I had to accept that my girlfriend was friends with a man at work, who she obviously found appealing. I was very mature about it, and I never mentioned it again, but I was very aware of what was taking place.

She was in the bathroom and her phone rang, I looked at the caller ID, and saw that it was her male colleague. My girlfriend asked me to pass her the phone, which I did. Inside I was really upset with this, as I could see that they had exchanged phone numbers, and now this man is calling my girlfriend.

I started thinking if she ever told him that we was together and living together. A few days later, I just had to speak my mind and I told my girlfriend that I was uncomfotable with her giving her phone number to men.

We spent the whole day texting back and forth we was both at work. I told my girlfriend to pack my things and i would move out when I got home. When I got home she talked me out of moving out. The very next day early afternoon, who calls my girlfriend? It was him, I knew at that moment that my instincts were spot on and my girlfriend and this guy were getting very close underneath my nose. What a coincidence that he would call the very next day after we had a huge fall out.

This next incident I believe was the beginning of the end for us. My girlfriend came home from work, kissed me and hugged me then got a cd from her collection and just left the flat. She never said a word and she was gone for atleast half an hour. I could not believe the lack of respect she was showing me. I had to be the one to ask where she went and to whom did she give the cd to.

I had a feeling who it was, I just wanted the truth. Now this is where my girlfriend showed me how immature and ruthless towards my feelings she was. At that point i lost my temper, I swore at her and I stormed out of the flat. I lost all respect for her after that, and I could see that she no longer valued me or the relationship.

Within the following month or so, we was as good as over. After months of giving my all, I just exploded and told her a few home truths. May I just add that I believe there were a couple more male friends that she had. She just loves the attention. Now this is the hard part. During our break up about 1 month in we discover that she is pregnant. Stupid me was thinking that this would put everything into perspective and that we need to communicate effectively. My ex made no secret of the fact that she was not happy with the pregnancy, and this killed me inside.

If looks could kill. My ex was kept in over night because of severe stomach pains, and I returned to the hospital in the morning.

The tension between us was very difficult, we hardly spoke and when she did it was with great hostility. This was a nightmare for me, who wants to have their first child like this. Obviously my ex had to call work and notify them of her absense, within minutes who calls her? It was him, and my ex soon perked up. Very polite and very respectful.

I could only wish that she could show me that same respect. He told her that he would visit her, she told him to come to the early pregnancy unit. God knows what he was thinking. Other male colleagues called her when they got wind of her situation, and I just had to accept that these men were important to my ex, and I was treated like an enemy.

It was extremely painful for me. When her colleagues visited her, my ex made sure I was absent. She never wanted me to meet them, and this was very hard for me. I know now that she was not the right woman for me. Anyway, my ex had a miscarriage and I truly believe that this was a blessing. She never really loved me, and I am certain that she NEVER really spoke highly of me with her male friends, because if she did there would have been respect and boudaries.

We still stayed in touch and even became intimate on a few occassions, we even spoke of trying again. I was still hurting from many things in the relationship, and I told her how i felt. She told me to move on because she has. I just feel like such a fool and the pain is so real. My ex is very pretty and has a wonderful body. She uses this to her advantage and she is an expert at manipulating men into worshipping her and feelng sorry for her.

It killed me that she was so respectful of them but cold and evil towards me. Anyway, I know I have said alot but I just want people to know that there is a thin line when it comes to opposite sex friendship. If you really do love and respect your partner, introduce them to your opposite sex friends, and allow them to interact with each other. NEVER keep your partner apart from your opposite sex friends.

It arouses suspicion and is truly disrespectful. Thank you for sharing all that. Thanks for your story. I can relate to your story the only difference is I believe there were benefits provided. Your story really touched my heart man, i almost cried! I am sorry that you lived through such pain! But it makes us stronger brother. Go to shrink 4 men and learn about these natcissistic women who think the rules dont apply to them. They have no empathy. All they care about is themselves.

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I think there's an extent to which it might be you because at no point in this narrative do I see you laying and communicating clear boundaries. At the off, when the pizza place is closed and you don't want to go to his house, why do you not refuse? It literally sounds like you'd knowingly walk into a potential rape situation rather than give offence.

When people ask you to massage them when you don't want to, you say No. When someone asks you to massage them when wearing less clothing than you like, you say No. When people touch you in ways you don't like and you tell them to stop and they say "but you have a nice butt!

If you project and portray submissive behaviour, you vastly, vastly increase your odds of attracting people who are looking for women exactly like that.

I would suggest assertiveness training, and a self-defence class to build self confidence. You are both guilty of not being crystal-clear about your intentions with each other, or your expectations. That is a grown-up mature thing to do, and something a lot of people don't do because it's too "scary". But you are additionally being almost aggressively, deliberately naive.

Sleeping over alone at another person's place - repeatedly - is an intimate act. It simply is, it doesn't matter if it's in separate rooms. People in their 50s are not sexless trolls. Take that weird prejudice off the table and consider your story: You went home with him alone to cook dinner. You've repeatedly slept over at his place. And when you're talking about straight-ish men and straight-ish women, the default format of that interest is, in this culture, romantic.

Yes, people of all kinds think about sex, in the proximity of other people. You need to be clear if that's not an option. Hell, I'm a married monogamous straight-appearing woman, and if you kept wanting to sleep over at my house and be alone with me, I'd question your motives myself. This guy is hardly a predator. He's made vague, cautious overtures to which you have responded. The problem is that you seem to be blind to overtures AND keep responding to vague pressure because you don't have the fortitude to stand up for your own desires.

You need to work on that. This guy is not a bad person taking advantage of you, but there are plenty of people male and female out there who will. Also, you're kind of using him for company and a place to sleep. Unless you are very specific, that kind of agreement comes with the expectation of some kind of trade-off. Stop doing things you don't want to do. Stop engaging in alone-time with people you don't want Very Special Alone Time with, until you've had a chance to establish boundaries about that Alone Time.

Just as a random example, for calibration purposes: We have gone off on couples' vacations or stayed over with several of them. You know what I would not do unless there were a natural disaster or medical crisis?

Sleep over alone with them. Go out to dinner alone - maybe not even lunch unless there was a crisis and even then not without at least one other person - with them. Even, unless it was a very formal occasion in which it was polite and appropriate and very public, dance with them. Because those are date things, and I don't do date things with people I'm not dating. And the only person I'm dating is my husband. That was a polite and appropriate thing to ask. Because, between people who might theoretically be attracted to each other, it's better to be cautious.

So if you are really having that much trouble drawing a line between friend-things and more-than-friend things, use my rule: Don't do it with people you don't want to date unless you are willing to be very clear and very firm UP FRONT about what it does or does not mean.

If you can't bring yourself to do that, then don't do those things. It makes it super easy to draw a line. This reads like a guide to what not to do if you meet a random dude in a park.

Also, word of advice for the future. If you want to send a firm signal that you're not sexually interested in someone, don't sleep over at their house. I really wish we lived in a world where "sleep over at your house frequently" wasn't code for "I want to have sex with you", but it sort of is. I also really wish we lived in a world where women didn't have to be constantly on guard about this stuff, wasting mental energy doing a calculus of red flags and exit strategies.

You need to learn when to say no. Don't wait to say no until the dude is naked and asking for a handjob. Say no when you first start to feel hinky about what is going on, not when you're at a point where rape is on the table. Another thing to think about is to always have control over the situation. Going to a stranger's home with no way to leave other than that stranger driving you is a bad idea, because you're not in control of how you get out of that situation.

I am not saying that saying yes up until the point of "naked dude asking for a hand-job" is "asking for it", or anything of the kind. Obviously your comfort zone is where it is, and if you liked sleeping over and being touchy with each other but didn't want to have sex, that is totally fine. But saying no the first time you feel uncomfortable rather than the last second before someone rapes you is generally going to be better for your mental health.

No, not all men are like this. Further, even though you might have known better, and some day you might have enough experience under your belt to spot when someone is feeding you a line of pure bullshit, no still means no, you still don't have to "hand massage" anybody you don't want to, and it's still okay to wonder aloud why some men behave as if they don't want to have sex with you and then do everything in their power to have sex with you.

It's particularly okay to do this if you've grown up in a very sheltered environment wherein you might not have had what we call agency. Agency means that you yourself, and others, recognize your right to have a say in what happens to you, you have a right to your thoughts and feelings, and nobody gets to take advantage of you, your body, your mind, any part of you.

You get to think for yourself and act on your instincts and you don't have to do what others want of you simply because they want what they want. As time goes on, it will also be okay to wonder why a sixty year old man is playing these sorts of infantile games rather than just leaning in to kiss you at the end of your date at the pizza place and, in the fashion of a real, live adult male, making his intentions known and offering you the opportunity, as a real, live adult female, to either accept or reject his advance.

Setting aside that fact that, oh, yeah, hmmm, he took you back to his place to make pizza because the restaurant was closed. It will further be okay to ask certain questions like, why was the restaurant he wanted to take me to closed? Why did we go back to his house to make pizza when we could have easily gone to another restaurant? Why did he drink too much wine when he knew I was relying on him to drive me somewhere? Why did I rely on him to drive me somewhere and why didn't I choose to take a cab home?

Why, even though I felt uneasy enough about him to fear for my safety when I slept on his couch, did I continue to agree to see him? Why do I keep finding myself in these situations? It's okay to ask all of these questions. It's okay to not know things until you know them.

You're not a bad person for genuinely not understanding that some people sexually hurt or confuse other people, not because they're necessarily horrible people but because they're weak, or fearful, or stupid, or misguided or mistaken. You're also not a bad person because, unfortunately, some people get off on tricking people into lowering their defenses by pretending to be one way when they're actually another. I am concerned that you are going to find yourself up against such a person and they will prey on you if you also don't start asking what you can do to avoid finding yourself in these kinds of situations at the same time you're asking if all men are the same.

The guy touched her butt repeatedly and continued to do so after she told him to stop. That's not just creepy: What I see MiuMiu doing over and over again is dismissing her own feelings and wants. She has been sensing creepiness from this guy over and over. She is lucky he doesn't seem to have highly predatory motives. MiuMiu you said "I found a little annoying but didn't say anything. Something is leading you to dismiss these feelings and continue your relations with this person.

Trust yourself, no one else can look out for you from your unique perspective. It doesn't sound like things are working out for either of you - you're uncomfortable with his advances, and he seems puzzled by your motivations for being in his company. A good thing to work on would be exploring what you want and what feels good to you in your relations with others, and then looking for those qualities in all the people you allow in your life.

Therapy might help with addressing why you habitually dismiss your uncomfortable feelings rather than addressing them consistently or removing yourself from the situation. As others have said, you were kind of slow on the uptake here. It sounds to me like he was cautiously trying to check if you were interested because he didn't want to creep you out but you never gave a good clear signal of rejection.

It is pretty normal for a man to keep "inquiring" until he gets a clear No. It only becomes creep behavior when you clearly reject them and then they won't give up. Given how long this ambiguous behavior went on, it isn't surprising that he had difficulty accepting it when you finally did try to tell him "no. It seems weird to me that you were so quick to eat his food, stay at his place etc and not assume "potential romance. Your description sounds like resources flowed in one direction.

Do you routinely mooch off of friends of both genders? I ask because in most cultures, a man routinely spending resources on a woman is a very typical part of courtship but friends typically engage in a more equal exchange or split the costs. If it is a routine part of your life that people spend resources on you and you do not reciprocate, it is likely creating a lot of social issues for you, not just with men.

I suggest you spend some time thinking about that aspect of your life. He actually sounds like he was pretty patient and generous while you essentially took advantage of his resources and sent mixed signals.

Again, if it is a normal part of your life for friends to spend resources on you without you giving back similarly and it is a normal part of your life for men to creep you out, these two patterns may be related. You need to learn the concept "There is no such thing as a free lunch. I am hoping to help you understand why men keep behaving towards you in a manner that you find "creepy.

If you are accepting their money, they read that as "maybe, kinda yes. It doesn't work well to try to have it both ways. If I'm not sexually interested in a man, I don't accept night-time invitations to his house. Regardless of what his intentions may or may not be, saying "no thanks" early removes the opportunity for problems. You'll save yourself a lot of headaches and heartaches once you learn to communicate firm boundaries and not just go with the flow to "seem nice".

I think everyone is giving this guy too much benefit of the doubt. You wanted a elder mentor or 2nd father relationship. I'm pretty sure he knew this. He was playing the nice card, hoping he could change your mind into making it a sexual one by slowly testing your boundaries.

Pay attention to these kind of signs in the future and shut them down if you're not interested. There's this idea for women that you have to be "nice" or "polite", even when someone's being out of line.

Being nice doesn't mean letting someone push you into doing something you don't want to do. It's okay to say "No, I'm not comfortable with that.

When he took you to the closed pizza place and then drove you to his place to make it instead, you were worried. This would have been the time to say "No, I'm not comfortable with that. Could we go to a different restaurant or meet up another time when it's open.

Take a class or read a book about being assertive. Learn how to politely shut this kind of thing down. It's one of the most important skills you will learn in your life. Right now, you're putting yourself into dangerous situations where things could have turned very ugly. I always find it surprising when women are surprised that some guys are thinking about them in a sexual way. Of course some guys will think of women that way, no matter whether they are 22, 32, or 42, and it's very naive to expect otherwise.

Furthermore, there should be nothing surprising about a situation where a woman expresses a willingness to sleep at a man's house and he then assumes that the woman might have some romantic interest in him. I think you are exhibiting a shortage of common sense and street smarts, and hopefully the answers to your posting here will help you develop those attributes.

That's not to say that everything this man did was nice or appropriate, but it's your job, not his, to look out for your own best interests and well-being. Meta posted by mlis at 9: I will try to do as many as possible of the things you all kindly suggested: My friend asked me the same thing "Why do you let yourself get into these situations?!

To "stray thoughts"; You are right! I think he knew I kinda saw him as a mentor-ish figure. I said a few times that he reminded me of my dad, to which he was like "huh?!

He said "You are biased because your dad remarried a young woman and you were disgusted. And I'm sorry, to everyone that I offended, for sounding sexist and ageist! I didn't mean that! Also a sincere apology that I kept saying "creepy" where I should have set my boundaries more clearly and quickly.

I also remember telling him that I was and never would be interested in men my dad's age. It's hard to say, "Look, I'm not interested in you like that" or "I'm not attracted to you" or "I don't want to have sex with you. But there's a point at which a person on the opposite end of this wonders. She sleeps over here all the time, she comes to stay for a few days when she doesn't feel like staying at her apartment, she's giving me massages I agree that consent needs to be established, but it's really hard to do that with someone who keeps saying yes when she really means no.

This is why it's a lot easier to say, "I'll call myself a cab," or "let's get Mexican instead", or "Sorry, I give the worst massages. But I scrub a mean skillet! MiuMiu, I've been in situations a lot like yours, where your living situation is not secure, and you don't have a ton of resources, and so you find yourself depending on people -- often people who are practically strangers -- because you have no other choice.

If you have questions about how to do this safely going forward, absolutely do not hesitate to memail me. A lot of your questions could have been asked by me, a decade ago. Pretty much everybody can, in fact, afford counseling. Most therapists use a sliding scale fee system, where if you need help and honestly cant afford it, they will lower their fees significantly. Call around and check. It might even be worth calling any insurance you may have to see what they can do.

Also universities have good counseling services. And the city, possibly, has some, depending on where you are. And as some mefites like to say, can you really afford to not get counseling? I often work with ladies abused in their childhood, so this answer is heavily biased towards that. I worry how much of a victim vibe you give off. It may be sheer naivety or something, but you put yourself in dangerous situations.

You seem to have no boundaries to speak of. Sometimes people tell you you don't have the right to say no. You are valuable, and you have to protect yourself; nobody else will. Based on your previous questions and this one, you seem to be an international student living in the US apologies if I have read this wrong.

I wonder if there are some cultural mismatches going on here as well. If I were you, I would look into any support groups your university has for international students, because it is always tricky to navigate a culture which is not the one you've been brought up with.

Finding some other people from a similar background and hearing their stories of dealing with the different culture may also give you some help with being more confident with setting boundaries and knowing what's appropriate and not. I don't mean to say that I think cultural differences is all that's going on here, just that it's a factor that may be relevant in how you continue to navigate through possible romantic minefields.

A lot of people like sex and think about it a lot. A lot of older people play less games and are more upfront than younger people in terms of going after what they want. When people touch you, it is up to you to tell them when to stop. If you don't tell them when to stop, they will keep going.

If someone ever disrespects you, you should just leave them. Don't expect people to take the hint. This included guys who were interested in me who I wasn't interested in. They would behave like the peacock and I wouldn't respond, so they would just think that I didn't realise what they were doing and then ramp it up. As someone who is not attracted to any way, shape or form to alpha males, to me their behaviour became even more disgusting.

Had I just said upfront - you're not my type, I'm not interested - this would have stopped a lot of that crap immediately - not all of it, but a lot of it. Sometimes we're not always in a place where we can do it, but I really suggest paying attention to your own levels of assertiveness and what you can do to improve them. If you're uncomfortable say something, remove yourself from the situation, put yourself in a different situation.

I thought he was joking around and never seriously saw me as a "woman. If you aren't attracted to older men, or just aren't attracted to a particular man for any reason, don't go on dates with him. Later, everything he said before automatically got connected as "creepy dots" in my head, although too late This is good! You are looking back on this experience and learning from it, and learning more about what sort of people you do or don't want to be around. It sounds like he came up to you when you were by yourself and looking lost, this is not a good situation for making new friends for someone with your level of experience in this culture.

It seems you are a student, you will probably have better luck making new friends by joining clubs at your school, intramural sports teams, or talking with other students before and after class. I feel like I'm going to keep running into more creepiness with men.

Seems to me that it would be helpful for you to cultivate a separation in your own mind between two ideas: Some of the people you meet are going to find you sexually attractive. That's something that's just going to happen, and it's fine and it's healthy, and it doesn't mean that the psyche of the person involved "revolves around" sex. Creepy is when somebody tries to manipulate you into doing things you don't want to, either overtly by abusing some position of power, or covertly by messing with your feelings or controlling the information available to you.

Young people are often grossed out by the idea of old people having sex, and doubly grossed out by the idea of old people wanting to have sex with them. That's a natural result of living in a culture that uses both youthfulness and sex as standard promotional tools; pretty much all sexually charged advertising features people who look young even if they're not, and the consequence is that we all soak up this unconscious bias that sex is something that properly belongs only to young people.

From my own perspective as a happily married 51 year old man, that's creepy. Key points to keep in mind here is that you are in fact an adult b not his daughter. None of us know this man you're telling us about. None of us can tell you for sure whether he's a park-crawling, youth-grooming sexual predator or just a lonely guy missing his wife and hoping against hope that the gorgeous young thing who has just appeared in his life might one day come to feel an attraction for him as strong as what he feels for her.

Sexual attraction is a strong thing, and sometimes it will push otherwise quite decent people over the line into creepy, especially if they're lonely and vulnerable. To keep the creepy out of your life, your best bet is to learn to avoid sending mixed signals, to get better at recognising mixed signals coming from other people, and to allow for the fact that other people are not necessarily going to share your own attitudes toward sex.

If you're going to stay over with somebody else at their house, make sure before doing so that both of you have clear expectations about how that's going to work and that both of you are OK with those. Your question seems to have attracted metafilter's surprisingly large cohort of men in their 50s who believe they have some kind of inalienable right to creep on who they please, but there are really good reasons for you to consider this man creepy outside of just his age and really good reasons for older people creeping on dramatically younger people in general - on an appropriately log scale - being seen as really not ok.

From a relationship perspective, much younger people are pretty much defined by their comparatively still developing boundary setting skills and lack of judgment or context for things that aren't so great about their partners. You are still figuring this out, and this is totally fine, but he plainly is not and using that to take advantage of you is not fine.

His developed established ways to interact with and recognize other people's boundaries as well as the context for understanding them that you are still developing inherently puts you and your interests at a colossal disadvantage.

This, at best, would make you as a much younger person incredibly complicated for an ethically minded much older person to date, but in practice actively selects for creepers who thrive on it. Indeed that seem like exactly what has happened here: While the boundaries you set might be confusing to a reasonable person as to your intentions, which would be awkward - though I doubt he was really honestly confused, they were not at all confusing as to what you wanted, which is all that really matters.

Him developing an unambiguous father figure type relationship with you where he calls you kid, and then trying to weasel that into a sexual relationship is really fucking creepy Him being weasel-ey about his intentions in general, saying he is joking when confronted, is really fucking creepy.

Him strong-arming you into giving him a massage in his swimsuit while touching your butt even though you kept telling him not to is pretty fucking creepy - at best. Him continuing to touch you in general even though he could plainly tell it was making you really uncomfortable is really profoundly fucking creepy.

Even if he is not himself one of those motherfuckers who harass women on the street he is happy to apologize for them - which is not ok. Possessive behavior like this is a really big red flag at any point in a relationship much less with someone you are ostensibly friends with. Speaking of which though, do you mean to say that you are not currently single and that he is not only ignoring all of the boundaries you laid - inexpertly or otherwise - but an unambiguous desire to be with someone who is not him?

Is somehow more of an expert on the size of your breasts that you are? If this weird subject were something he were really interested in, wouldn't this more logically be phrased as a question? Again, this is not 'are you asexual? This is pretty much what creepy is.

This is not how adults communicate interest to each other, they say "I am interested in you" or some logical equivalent. This dude knows that would not work and so is doing this instead - that is also pretty much exactly what creepy is.

There are a lot of people in this thread telling you that your instincts and desires are wrong in some way and that you should ignore them.

Your instincts seem to be working just fine, well at least now they are, and the way to develop them is to trust them and learn more about how they work as you get more practice using them. Women in particular are generally socialized to not trust their instincts, to devalue them, and to consider them irrational. This only serves one purpose, to make women more vulnerable and manipulate-able.

Your desires are also just that, yours. They do not belong to your creepy old man 'friend' any more than they belong to metafilter's creepy old man contingent and it is totally fine to not be attracted to older guys.

Attraction is not a moral act, please don't let anyone try to shame you for not being attracted to them, which is indeed also really fucking creepy. I feel like I can see where a lot of your confusion might come from. On the one hand, people say " it's wrong to make broad general assumptions about people based on their age, gender, race, etc.! You are always justified in listening to your own inner voice about anything that may feel a little off or worrying.

You are always justified in putting your personal welfare first. You don't need to run that through a checklist to make sure you are perfectly unbiased and fair unless or until you gather enough empirical data to prove that the other person is indeed some kind of threat, or that their expectations or assumptions are completely different than your own. If something feels wrong, it's not only okay, but very wise to draw back and limit or cease contact with that person. This isn't refusing to hire someone because of prejudice, or paying them less, or offering less legal protection.

This is you choosing how you spend your own personal time, and with whom, and your reasons are your own, and need no justification at all. I will second the person who suggested reading The Gift of Fear an Ask Metafilter perennial favorite! This guy does not seem like he was the least bit confused as to your intentions and does seem like he was actively trying to confuse you about his.

That is his fault. I think most guys would assume that if they met at a woman at a park and asked them to have dinner with them and they accepted, it meant they were going on a date. Continuing to hang out would mean they were dating. I've known girls who dated older guys, not 20ss, but 20ss and 30ss.

It's not unheard of, especially if the guy is rich. Especially in the context of randomly meeting and then hanging out with someone of the opposite sex or from what you described even the same sex. That isn't to say old men and young women can't be friends, that happens all the time, but usually it's in another context.

I don't like all the "OMG get therapy" answers I mean how much does that cost? It sounds kind of expensive , but I think it would be helpful to have someone who can help you learn to navigate social situations. But if you're not good with queues don't be afraid to be direct. If some guy is talking to you and you want to be a friend but don't want to sleep with him tell him directly that you just want to be friends and ask directly if he wants to be more then friends.

Honestly some people, both men and women are very bad at picking up social cues, but while stating things directly can be uncomfortable, they can help you avoid more uncomfortable situations later. And just to change things around a bit - whenever you're in a situation, you should ask yourself "what do I want? Ask yourself - do I want this - do I not want this?

Act based on your immediate response - don't analyse, don't try to understand. Focus on how you feel. And, something I should have said is that he was being very inappropriate. His inappropriateness was not your fault. And our perceptions of people - everyone - can change over time. Sometimes we meet someone and they're awesome and then they turn out to be a jerk.

Sometimes we meet a jerk and they turn out to be awesome. It can be difficult when we're knocked back by life and the people we encounter and our perceptions of them change - but we learn from these experiences for our encounters with other people. Considering this and your previous questions, you need to 1.

Get a place of your own to live by yourself not a house or apartment share, and times-never couchsurfing with random strangers. Get therapy, and learn to set boundaries learn to tell people 'no'; learn to look after yourself without depending on others.

Just because someone is in their 50s or 60s does NOT mean its safe for you to go off with them. Don't get in strangers' cars, don't go to strangers' homes, and make sure that wherever you are, you have YOUR OWN way to get home and GO home, don't stay in those strangers' houses. You seem to have a long history of letting other people take advantage of you: Learn to say a loud, clear NO when you don't want someone to touch you or to touch them the massaging?

You need to learn to stand up for yourself and put a stop to this before one of these strangers hurts you and that is quite likely to happen, if you go on as you have. There's a reason we're told over and over to only meet strangers in public places. Yes, I understand the urge to make friends, but you need to stop being a doormat because you what, don't want to hurt strangers' feelings?!?

What I am hearing is You: That he waited until you were staying in his house for several days to start touching you does not make it less creepy. That he misses the touch of a woman does not make it less creepy. It is quite possible for older men to have regular old platonic relationships with ladies of all ages. It is quite possible for older men to hit on women in their 20s in a moral, respectful and fun way while still backing off should a given woman show disinterest.

He is willfully ignoring the boundaries you are setting, and preying on your uncertainty with your right to set them. There is nothing wrong with saying "no! There are guys who will be genuine friends, and guys who will respect your wishes, and guys who will prioritize your comfort. However, it is better if you can to have lots of casual or group friendships until you feel less lonely and better able to stop spending time with people who don't feel comfortable or good.

Outside of the workplace, school, and among family friends, people do not have "mentors", particularly of those they randomly met off the street. Socially speaking, most adults above a certain age "have enough friends" and aren't looking to make new ones. What they may be looking for are romantic relationships. Obviously, what this guy did was boundary-pushing and what he did was violate the few boundaries you had stated and behaved very creepily.

But the thing is this: So the answer to the question of, "is all men ever think about is sex and trying to get a woman into bed? And if you don't message, you could possibly be un-matching with the love of your life, and that's way worse than being ignored.

It also takes the pressure off of dudes who feel like they need to start the conversation every time. We knew you were gonna ask, so yes, with same-sex matches either party can start things off. Matches expire after 24 hours so you can't agonize over that opening line for too long, and your match list won't be filled with people you forgot you matched with 57 weeks ago.

You'll see pictures and short bios of potential matches in your area and can swipe right if you're interested and left if you're not. It's a pretty close mock of Tinder, except for the fact that Bumble relieves the anxiety of accidentally swiping left on a hottie by letting you backtrack.

Bumble also offers a BFF feature to find strictly platonic friends and a LinkedIn-ish networking feature called Bizz in attempts to remind everyone that it's not just a hookup app. Bumble is free but also offers Bumble Boost for extra features, including rematching an expired match.

Best for queer women tired of heteronormative apps. Apps like Tinder and Bumble want to say they're for all sexual orientations, but they're constantly throwing in male matches when you've specified you only want women. It's either that, or your pool is filled with straight girls just looking to "make friends. HER is the award-winning mix of dating and social media that lets you meet girls you know are girls and not nasty men trying to pose as girls , as it requires a Facebook for signup and is solely for lesbian, bisexual, and queer women.

You don't see that often, and if you do, it's some highly sexualized fantasy thing for guys to drool over. HER was made by queer women, for queer women, which was a much-needed safe space in the world of online dating. Claiming to "introduce you to every lesbian you've ever wanted to meet," HER is the perfect place to go if you're tired of the only lesbian you know being your ex girlfriend.

As the user base grows at a seriously impressive pace especially in large cities , HER will help you widen your dating pool beyond the people you already know IRL. Profiles are minimalistic and encourage you talk, and it's way more chill and comfortable than traditional swiping apps. But HER goes way past being a hookup app — that is, without adding pressure to find a romantic partner. While it can be used to couple up and find local matches that you never knew existed, you can also get involved in local LGBTQ events, read LGBTQ news, and make friends through its social-media like feed.

Best for gay guys, obviously. Most of these guys have no chill and unsolicited dick pics will run rampant, but it's the ideal gay paradise if you're tired of Tinder or Bumble throwing women into your pool when you specifically opted out. Grindr has been the go-to for gay and bi men since , and that's because finding someone to talk to is damn near instantaneous. Most users just looking to hook up will let you know right off that they're not trying to make small talk.

However, in , Grindr launched their thoughtful LGBTQ online magazine called Into, in efforts to make itself look more like a lifestyle brand and less like a hookup app. According to Mashable's MJ Franklin , Into is one of the most interesting digital magazines on the internet. Now you really can say you're just on Grindr for the articles. Grindr also announced that they're working on an option for users to notify potential partners of their STD status as a way to stop the spread of infections among dating app users particularly HIV and AIDS.

The app is free for basic use, but you can opt for an upgrade to Grindr XTRA to unlock other features like read receipts, an "online-only" viewing option, no ads, and more. Best for super picky people.

Picky people looking for something super specific in a partner. And guys, this is not the place for the younger millennials: Rather than being thrown into an endless pool of profiles, EliteSingles lets you pick out exactly what you're looking for. You'll be given a limited number of matches curated for you using 29 extremely detailed, professional-level algorithms based on the popular Five Factor Personality Test.

They'll even show you your own results in comparison to those of potential matches to see how you stack up. Like eharmony , the stuff to fill out is pretty lengthy — but that's what you want if you're looking for a lasting relationship, and this helps ensure that you aren't swiping through tons of people that aren't your type.

Slow and steady wins the race, right? Another unique thing is that there are separate pools based on location, religion, ethnicity, age, and sexual orientation. You can even break it down by profession if — for example, if you are or were a teacher, you might only want to date someone who was also a teacher.

All profiles are also verified manually with an upscale Fraud Detection System. As you could have expected from the fancy-sounding name, EliteSingles is the most expensive of the bunch but we say worth it. Best for people who believe in love at first sight. People constantly falling in love with strangers on the street who then spend hours scouring the Missed Connections section of Craigslist.

Everyone would love for the story of how they met their person to be something serendipitous and crazy, like meeting your husband in the Starbucks line — but let's be real, the chances of that happening completely on its own aren't great. Happn acts as a wingman that steps in and introduces two strangers by alerting app users of cuties who are physically close by in real time.

AskMen's review said it best: Perfect for rom com enthusiasts or for anyone who likes to ogle hotties on public transportation and who's secretly hoping they might be doing the same. No, really — one of my friends literally watched a guy next to her on the train "like" her on Happn. If anything, it's a chance to decrease your number of missed opportunities in public when you get too shy to speak up.

Best for picky, career-motivated millennials. The League Free version: Bougie millennials who are career-motivated and looking for an equally ambitious partner.

This is the place to come if you're tired of meeting people who don't value hard work and never Venmo you when they say they will. Referred to as "Tinder for elites," The League is the dating app version of those really exclusive clubs that always have a line around the corner, terrifying bouncers, and a crazy cover.

Okay, that kind of sounds like it's for assholes, but it's actually a comforting alternative if you're not trying to be thrown to the wolves like you would be on Match. The League CEO Amanda Bradford claims claims that it's actually a way for "alpha females" to find someone who celebrates and supports their drive.

It's overwhelming to skip past all of the sketchy randoms to get to the handful of good ones, and even then, they could totally be catfishing you. The League does the social media creeping for you, requires all users to connect a Facebook and LinkedIn account, and screens based on professional history to ensure that their dating pool is full of " intelligent, educated and ambitious " singles.

If you're not ready to take a dating app seriously, forget it. This isn't one you can download and then forget to check for a month — they'll kick you off if you don't interact with your matches. As Thrillist's Lauren Brewer asks, "What is this fucking militant dating app? If nothing else, being accepted into something so "exclusive" is a huge confidence boost — if you can get past the absurdly long wait list.

Sign up here and check out their super inspiring success stories here. Best for people whose friends hate their exes. People whose exes are despised by the rest of the friend group and 2.

Aspiring matchmakers who can't help but insert themselves into their friends' love lives. Wingman is the unique take on dating that lets your friends play cupid, essentially making it the dating app version of the "Have you met my friend?

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