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At its peak it housed over students. In Spring Creek Lodge was entangled in yet another lawsuit, this time on behalf of plaintiffs, all citing multiple abuses and fraud at the WWASP program and various affiliates. Many allegations of abuse, as well as Social Services complaints and lawsuits have been leveled at Cameron Pullan and his brother Chaffin Pullan.

Many allegations of abuse, as well as Social Services complaints and lawsuits have been leveled at Chaffin Pullan and his brother Cameron Pullan. He then went on to be the Director for Majestic Ranch, now operating as Old West Academy, where children as young as 7, and perhaps younger, were detained, abused, and used as forced labor. They picked me up in the middle of the day. I packed a few books for the road and got into a car with two ex-cops. They told me not to run.

My last meal was an egg mcmuffin. That morning we drove deeper and deeper and higher and higher into the forest on a mountainside. I wished I would have run sooner. I soon learned that I could not call my parents. I could not talk to boys. I was on lockdown; I had no rights and could not leave. There were eight giant, two-story, log cabins on campus with a communal cafeteria in the middle.

Each cabin was divided into four dormitories. There were twenty bunk beds in our dorm all along the walls. There was also a large bathroom connected to our living space with several sinks and small showers. It was a cross between a military school and a cult. I was introduced to levels and a complicated point system. At the end of the day I was always in the negative and never got past level one. This was accomplished mainly by talking. If you talked in line it was a T.

I also got in trouble for talking to other level-ones as level-ones can only talk to their buddies or level-threes and higher. I grew somewhat accustomed to the monotony, floating through the same day over and over and over again.

The bell in the morning, the five minute shower, the ugly uniforms- khaki and maroon. I was strip-searched upon arrival. This included the confiscation of my black and purple polka dot underwear.

Only white cotton undergarments from now on. They took my Dostoyevsky and even my Calvin and Hobbes. Our rare trips to the little library which I was usually barred from attending were depressing. The selection consisted mainly of Goosebumps and other preteen literature. With no access to telephones or computers, my only connection to the outside world was through letters to my parents. It eventually became clear that they had become almost as brainwashed as some of my peers.

My pleas to come home or to be allowed to move in with my best friend in Los Angeles were met with program lingo i. I tried to comply once against my better judgment. I decided that the level two privileges of butter, sugar, and a weekly candy bar were not worth it.

I saw level sevens crushed because they lost all their points for a trivial reason. I saw the special treatment given to girls that had been there too long in order to speed up their graduation. Staring into space is categorized as either looking-at-boys or planning to escape. Although I was often penalized for the former by the upper level girls, I was usually doing nothing except not looking straight ahead of me. We would often have to stop in the middle of marching from place to place to accommodate other lines or stop at the restrooms.

I made friends with girls who felt the same way. We shared rumors and strategies to get out. One day we heard that two boys managed to leave.

They were upper level and took advantage of their good standing to make a run for it. Supposedly they ran, stole a car, and stole a boat before being caught by the police and put in juvenile hall. Whether or not there was any truth in this, it inspired me. My friend Jennifer and I decided we would find out. There was an emergency button we could push to get out of our cabin.

The only problem was that our shoes were locked up at night, so we only had flip-flops. We pushed the button and ran for a bit, but the boys were faster.

There were small victories however, occasionally vicarious ones. We could only eat three meals a day, plus one snack, so when we snuck extra pop tarts for friends that was a triumph. There was also this one time when a girl from one line saw her boyfriend from home walking in another line and they ran to each other and kissed. The same girl headed a mini-rebellion consisting of some girls from her cabin breaking out and running around the campus naked.

In the end I had my own successful demonstration of defiance. I was also afraid of having to celebrate my sixteenth birthday there, of finishing high school in another state, of having nothing when I finally got out. In any case, I staged an individual silent protest. At first they put me in intervention for long periods of time in solitary confinement.

They threatened to send me to a facility in Mexico or Jamaica where there are even less regulations. They tried to restrain me, prevent me from sleeping, and other methods of unpleasantness. Finally they kicked me out. When I got home I looked up the school online. Their website recommended that parents watch the movie Thirteen to understand what horrible things their teenagers are doing. In Spring Creek was closed.

I was there in , i remember being there. Wow it was crazy. When i went i was 17 so i only had a year to do. I was in the excel family. We had the worst reputation which i somewhat enjoyed.

At that point i stop caring cause i was about to go home anyway. So on a trip up to the hobbit one time i ran into a girls hobbit and kissed this cute little blond girl. I was like a family hero after that. I was in Excel as well. Arrived in SCL in and took my exit plan at 18 in We actually got the name from the shower curtains which were made by a company called Excel.

God this place sucked I was in unity family. K think my favorite phrase was staff it. What was the name of that little room where you went during the day to avoid school? I just remember being well beheaved so I could watch the movie. Showers sucked as well. When were you in there? I was in there from , also in Serenity. So glad this hell-hole was shut down. That was a program meant for kids that needed tough guidance.. It was a fast and easy program for those that wanted to work it..

It was a place that MADE you earn your privileges. Privileges you lost at home because of that lack of respect. Sadly there were some parents that used that program because they wanted to ignore their kids or just use the place as an expensive babysitting..

In those sad cases it was just poor parenting. Life is Hell out there but you have to make it a livable one maybe even a happy one. But not without respect and an open heart to others. If and hopefully when you DO come to terms with what happened to you, we will be here for you, as we have been for so many others. Good luck to you. I am not so sure this is actually a survivor… sounds more like a former staff member to me.

Aw man this is definitely a a staff member. Sounds like a case worker or family parent. Considering WE all went through it.

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It was very bad but apparently it had gotten worse. I salute your efforts and yes , the only time I saw someone allowed to leave was because they stopped talking period. I feel for you. Yep just had a nightmare I was there again woke up feeling sick and not wanting to go back to sleep. This happens more often than you would believe and I have been out for over eight years. Damn that hell hole. Omg Ian and Jennifer, I totally remember you guys and maybe others! I was there and this is a freaking trip reading all of this.

I had no idea there were websites like this. No wonder my counselor at school had so many questions when I told her I went to Spring Creek. Ian Baldwin I remember you wisdom family. I remember a lot of stuff remember Tyler parish. I was the only guy there from Alaska. I was in Thompson falls in when I was 16 I was taken in the nigh and spent 4 months.

It talking to my parents I watched countless times as fellow students were beat and neglected in the hobbit there was one student who they sent to the hobbit every day I hope the kids who were abused win there case if this place was still open I would run up in that camp and take shit over. It talking to my parents I watched countless times as fellow students were beat and neglected in the hobbit there was one student who they sent to the hobbit every day I hope the kids who were abused win there case if this place was still open I would run up in that camp and take shit over I was in respect sept through December.

I have been forced to stay at Spring Creek Lodge for three years. I still have nightmares about this place, and it has been 7 years since I have graduated from this place. My nightmares were mostly about feeling trapped and having no sense of control over my own life. I am the type of person who has deep thoughts, and I am not always conscious of my surroundings. Consequently, It was very easy for me to lose points for being unconscious and neglectful, especially when all the girls in leadership positions used to watch us like hawks and consequent us for every minor mistake.

I think there should be better ways with dealing with teen behavior. We were just kids after all. I used to watch Cameron and Chaffen walk around there as if they were kings of the facility. They did not care about the kids. They only cared about money. In fact, I actually got away with not talking to anyone for a few months. As long as I stayed a ghost, no one felt tempted to pick on me, and that was good for me.

I was a naive kid that cared deeply about what others thought of me, I figured staying out of peoples lives would make me feel better. No wonder that girl killed herself. I was at SCLA in their final days of neglect and deceit. The rules there never changed, and the overall mentality of staff was neglectful and oblivious to the emotional conflicts of individual students at SCLA.

Money trap, most definetely. I was in spring creek in My parents grew wary of them after a few phone calls and a letter I sent to my father using codes and I was pulled after about 7 months of intense madness of a true American teenie gulag. I made the mistake of crossing the jr.

Staff at a facility meeting for abuse and was relegated to level 3 status no matter how much time I spent as family leader and asst. I had it relatively good. Friends of mine like little Doug, John H. Evil people…it was the first time I encountered truly evil adults who practiced trickery and manipulation to maintain a yoke of control upon their wayward little piggy banks.

I heard it improved as time went on, but even those who spent time there in the last days, after it had been exposed as a torture facility have my pity for having to experience such things as went on.

For every story that made it out of there…every injustice exposed that the children experienced, there are a hundred more that were never told. Those of us that spent time in Wisdom, Courage, Unity, legend, serenity, eternity etc. Most who praise these places are shills who profited off of it. I could have done this as my family married into the Lichfield mafia in Utah… I no longer speak to them. It never goes away no matter how long in the rear view the experience was. The feelings of hopelessness, mental rape, and imprisonment for whatever offense perpetrated at home, and dealt with by uniform aggression and abuse always remain.

I was a lucky one considering the time I was there few were spared from atrocious violence. I hate to say I inflicted violence on other kids to remain in good standing with family fathers etc. Simply try to forgive, forget, and move on. Once you feel detached enough to fight the bastards and spread your own testimony of their treachery, do so. People should know what went on and what still goes on in remote corners of the country and abroad to children whose parents have been duped into this stuff.

It was a nightmare, but wear your survival with pride. You are better because you made it out and can turn the pain into strength if you make yourself do so. Hell is hot and Thompson Falls was cold…yet they were hard to tell apart at times. Admin of this site, thank you! Your friend, Myles- Wisdomfamily I was in Wisdom right when i got there in July , I soon transfered to Courage Family due to a letter I wrote home.

I was the kid that got messed with. As i remember it I was sleeping Sunday morning and a junior staff decided to climb on me while asleep and dry hump me, I kicked him off and of course he tried to punish me.

Was Doug the little guy that was always in the hobbit? John the one i remember was a cool guy, he was the one that talked to me when i got there. He was from the East Coast somewhere like North Carolina. Eugene was the black kid that was wild right? I seem to remember a story about him using a fire exstinguisher on a staff member in Courage family before he got moved to Wisdom. Eugene was a veteran who had been there long before I was there. He was a wild son of a bitch, but a sweet guy.

That place brought out the worst in people. He beat a staff up with a vacuum tube if I recall correctly…insanity breeds insane behavior if you ask me. Doug was indeed the little guy always getting thrown the Hobbit with that big oaf staff member Kayden.

John was my best friend there and he was a cool guy from N. I remember you vaguely. Did you wear glasses? Most did in one way or another. I hope you feel the same. It is weird that the story of the fire extinguisher is right there in front of me because it was Eugene and me who did that.

Someone mentioned that it was a place where we lost our dreams and it seems like that US true bc everything th a rd happened to me after I left has been a result of what that place made me become. Yeah they messed with us early guys pretty hard. I am hoping you remember me! I am sure since our moms hit it off and we kept in contact for a while after getting out.

I heard you had a baby a while back! I have just for some odd reason been thinking about my time spent in hell…and decided to google it! Well suprise suprise they got shut down! It has been great to read all of these posts and see the familiar names…. I would love to hear from you …. I knew Joah at Sprimg Creek. He was one of the good ones in the jr.

I remember when he was demonized to all hell after he stole the car and escaped with some gangbanger kid. He was always fair and in one particular incident backed me up for calling out a jr. Staff member for beating on a thirteen year old who had been sent there for being too fat. Tell him Myles from Wisdom says hello. Straight shooter and solid guy. My son Gabriel was there in He is almost 32 years old and is just now starting to talk about what happened at Spring Creek, which is why I am just now doing research on what others experiences were at this facility.

He may have known your son. I will ask him. You are more than welcomed to contact me privately at greene gmail. I will be glad to put you in contact with my son so you can discuss with him directly. I hope he hires a lawyer soon. He was indeed traumatized by wwasps. I remember Joshua somewhat. That place was complete hell. I remember when I finally made it to jr.

They saved them all in there files on polaroids. I was only 15 at the time and was seeing that stuff. Seriously hope everyone involved in that places burns. One day they will have to answer for the things they did. Susan … I was in springcreek from to You are a testament to the endurance of a restless spirit haha. I felt like I abandoned you man…still haunted by that shit.

I wonder whatever happened to Atfield? Anyway, just be good man, and if you ever want to, you know how to get ahold of me. On a side note, in that place the duality of man became very apparent. It was a bad experience because I learned to see the good side of otherwise evil people and empathize which has cost me a lot, but it also taught me to not be afraid of bullies. In fact it seems like it already has.

Anyway brother John, you were the guy who carried me through that time. We leaned on each other a bit. Continue to be happy, take care of the young ones and the wife, and be thankful. Know as well that I would do anything for you bro. All in all it is all as it is supposed to be. Merry Christmas homie… I self correct… I mean uhh and happy new year. I was in the program from I was in unity family.

Let me start off by saying this place was shit!! I spent most of my time I the Hobbit and did not pass level there my parents were brain washed,and my family turned against me I have deep anger issues from this place aam glad it is shut down.

Brandon, I was always in intervention. Everyday for a year and a half. My name is Nick Theriault. Do you know it? I was in Quest family. I was in Spring Creek from was the only person I am aware of to be kicked out of PC3, as a level 6- for being honest about my home contract. I was also the youngest on the facility, for I was a fresh 13 year old. My parents then sent me to a southern baptist program in Kentucky for my junior year.

After that, I was sent back to scl for my last year That place did way more harm than good. There was absolutely no one qualified to look after us. Another side note- my reason for being there was because I did not like my step dad and argued with my parents constantly. So happy that place was shut down. No one deserved that treatment and lies. Chelsey, I was in Serenity family in I remember you, I believe. Did you have braces?

God what a miserable time. Poor Miss Keely, I will never forget her. What an awesome lady. Hi, I was in Serenity as well. I think I remember Chelsea…. That place was horrible…. I was one of the few who got away. When I arrived i saw brainwashed kids everywhere I looked. There was no way in hell I was going to become another statistic. After extensive prepping and planning. I finally made my escape it was a cold Novemeber night about 2am.

After running all night in the freezing cold my sweat was frozen to my beanie ,I was caught the next morning around 10am. They put out a search party for me…police, volunteers, staff ect…. I was sent there when i was 13 as well for almost two years i was the youngest girl there too im now 28 and feel as if that place ruined my life and changed the path my life i wished ended up..

I was still a virgin when i went there.. That got taken from me.. I started my period all alone and was laughed at by other girls. I was in the family Charity and never made it past level 2. The twins gave me level 3 just so i could go to a seminar and see my mom in hopes that it would calm me down but it only made things worse.. I was in and out of worksheets daily and spent countless hours nights days and weeks in the hobit.

I was molested and beaten up and learned things i would of never dreamnt of knowing how to do or been around people like that until my mother sent me there. Pretty much just to get me out of her hair so she could drink and party honestly. I have ptsd, severe anxiety, insomnia, intermittent explosive disorder andb severe depression and i believe its all from there.

I wouldnt wish that place upon my enemym Chaffin eventually had enough of me and so did every one else i guess and tried to make my mom send me to Jamaica where they had no child labor laws but my mom just brought me home instead.. Made up a home contract followed it for 2 weeks once i got home at the age of 15 and of course got bored and went out to find older kids..

And within 5 months of being home i was doing drugs and pregnant and getting into physical fights with my mother. That place ruined me. Sure it sucks not beig able to eat or watch tv when you want and you have to follow a bunch of bullshit rules.

It sucks but it is what it is you make the best with what life throws at you. I am totally against peer on peer displine because upper level assholes are corrupt as hell. But as far as the staff go I had nothing but great staff member Chaffin and Cameron did walk around like kings but they were harmless.

Those kids deserved that, they asked for it. We never deserved that nor the awful mental and emotional repercussions that still longer and influence us today. Cameron, Chaffin, Ken Kay and all the rest deserve to rot in a special place in their Mormon hell for child abusers.

Be prepared boys and girls…Roger is as dumb and sadistic as it gets. He is too stupid to be evil…but the results are the same. And to think she used to be my favorite cousin…shame shame. Maybe we should start a program for kids where they actually receive help and guidance rather than classic Maoist brainwashing and abuse.

Hell, I would bet just about everyone on this site is more qualified than these Utards…sorry Utahns. Robert Lichfield can barely read. I was 15 years old. They had just opened Spring Creek Lodge in Montana. I remember her pulling over at what I thought was a Motel 6 to ask for directions.

She went in while I stayed in the car. After about 15 minutes, I went in to see what was taking her so long. I saw her at the desk and heard the door auto lock behind me and two staff members grabbed me.

I knew I was fucked. I had arrived at Brightway! I stayed at Brightway for about 2 weeks before being flown to Montana. Cameron became my new guardian and made that perfectly clear when I got there.

There were only about 20 boys at Spring Creek when I arrived… we were the first and opened that damn hell hole like prisoners opening up a new yard. No one knew what to expect. The youngest of our group was Cliff, he was only 11 or 12 years old. The oldest was Jay at One by one, we all watched new kids come in.

They were all Mormons and tried to push that religion on us. They beat us, starved us, humiliated us and made us walk through 10 degree weather in our boxers and flip flops. Kids trying to commit suicide was a weekly issue. Jake was really a quite person and Eugene was just the opposite. I kept my mouth shut and the next night they were gone. They were found and brought back a few days later, and were beaten within an inch of their lives.

I was there for one year and witnessed everything including kids trying to kill themselves. I was wild myself, but after being dropped on my face in the gravel and getting my lip and teeth busted by staff an ex Marine named Randy , I kept a low key.

I witnessed a staff member force a 13 year old boy to give him oral sex in the bathroom late one night when everyone was asleep… WTF! Staff worked us like slave labor chopping down trees. They made us build fort style fences around the staff cabins and lay rock gravel pits. We were thrown in freezing ponds infested with who knows what just for fun. A few times a week I would help in the kitchen making food and washing dishes. I stole a sharp kitchen knife for protection. I kept it on me at all times.

I was 15 years old and literally in survival mode ready to kill any jr. I just wanted to survive and not stand out. The more attention I created, the more chances that my knife would be discovered. I was never the same after leaving the program. The young, free spirited, charismatic kid that came there never got to go back home. He was replaced with a paranoid, confused kid who was obsessed with protecting himself. I could no longer socialize with kids in my normal high school, and it destroyed any chance of a normal high school experience.

I lived life through my headphones and skateboard. While most kids our age were learning about respect from their fathers, how to flirt with girls and going to proms, we missed all of that.

It is now and I have been incarcerated in federal prison since early , ironically for felony possession of a fire arm. I will be released at the end of this year. I am writing this from a prison cell and it is being submitted on my behalf by another party who told me about this site. Jake and Eugene were awesome! Jake was the guy that told me: Smile and nod…fuck em later on.

Unfortunately your story is very common and many of us who came out of their were actual threats to society where before we were just snotty little bastards. They meant to make us weak and docile through shock. Instead it just made us a little crazy to varying degrees. I have a burning hatred in my heart that I want gone badly. I have a self destructive sort of apathy that only struck me after seeing the shit that went on there.

I lost my fear of consequences, rules, or really even death in the real world because none of it seemed to compare in measure to the pain I had already witnessed and experienced. We who were there know…and it will never go away. Live well and prosper when you finish your stint.

Remember that we have an advantage over the unenlightened masses, we know real suffering…therefore we can better recognize real happiness. Be happy, you deserve it. If you want to have whoever it is who posts for you write me and I will gladly continue corresponding with you. Sometimes talking to those who were there can be the best medicine.

Whatever you do, take it out on the Utarded Mormon mafia running these places…not yourself. Please contact me at greene gmail. Did you know my son, Zach? He was from Ohio and was there about a year before going to Czech. I am sick reading all of these comments. I thought I was doing the right thing.

I feel awful for all of you having to go through all of this. Anita I wish your family the best. So many names seem familiar now but long forgotten since I always felt cheated out of that time of life I missed, that life they often preached was over because we had ruined it self affirming prophecies and pseudo self help jargon but I am blessed for the perspective it gives on how short life is. Peace out, as Zach would say! No one gets what happened at SCL. My parents never paid attention to me much less tried to listen.

They paid the staff there to abuse me. Thats the mentality of my parents, and I cant go back any where near them.

I watch as my other siblings get love but theres never enough left over for me. All I get is judgement and no matter what I am wrong and it is my fault. If I breath then it is my fault. Thats it, Im sick of breathing now.

If my brother ever reads this I hope he gets as far away from the abuse that is the family. I cannot imagine the betrayal you kids felt, having your parents trick and abandon you. I would be surprised if any of you have any kind of contact with your parents. I found your site after reading a cautionary review on Amazon.

He says in his book that he worked there for 10 years. Sorry about your luck, Mr. I had friends in high school that were taken to places like this and wondered what they went through.

Anyway, I just wanted to drop a note to tell each of you that my heart goes out to you, and I will be praying for you. Please know that God loves you and will forgive anything and everything you did back then or have done since; all you have to do is ask.

In all fairness, Mike Linderman was one of the only people affiliated with that program with a college degree, and a decent heart. He helped me get out of there. In fact, in order to even speak to Linderman, your parents needed to pay more.

Linderman was not in the same league of evil. Curious that he wrote a book and actually admits to being a wwasp employee. One would think anyone would understand the backlash of that move. Mike was awesome, and from what I know he was not there at the end… I believe he had moved on…but I graduated in … and am nor fully sure. I will say, he is the reason I grew up wantingg to help others. Destiny family 99 — I just wanted to reach out to the guys I was at the Lodge with.

I was there in 97 when there were just a few of us. I was the guy that tried to break out with Jake and Eugene but I didnt make it out the window because Jake made a ton of noise. Please feel free to contact me at keelingkasey gmail. Now one thing begs to question for me.

During the program, I remember being told of Wwasps sterling success rate. There have been a disproportionate amount of suicides and other tragedies endured by wwasp detainees.

Where is the success? To me, the sickness that afflicts the hearts of people like Lambert is a true testament to the snake oil our parents purchased in the name of trying to reach their children. We were all changed in these places to a varying degree, but does anyone really think these places actually helped? I am a parent of a child that I sent to Spring Creek. The reason I sent my child to Spring Creek was because she quit school in her Junior year and was completely disrespectful and running with trouble.

We ended up in court and i was trying to find a better place for my daughter than our local system. I found the program on line and called a phone number. The person I spoke with sold me the school. I promised my daughter that I would bring her home as soon as she completed her schooling. I did keep my promise and removed her before she completed the program.

I am truly sorry that I sent my daughter there. I have apologized to her but not sure she really forgives me. After I sent her there things began to calm down at our home and I realized how broken our family was and made big changes at home. I also realized that my daughter was reacting to the way our lives were. If my child ever reads this I want her to know that I am sorry. I felt desperate and wanted to fix the problem. Julie Well I am glad and your daughter should appreciate that you are able to see the fundamental flaws of the programs.

So many parents refuse to admit their mistakes and it is extremely frustrating as a former inmate to deal with. My advice when dealing with your daughter on this subject would be to try to sit down and talk to her. Just listen to what she has to say and let her know that you are aware of the treachery of WWASPs as a business and the individuals who received a paycheck from them. She is lucky to have a mother who accepts what happened there.

As a parent, your voice carries weight in the fight against these evil people. If you would participate in our goal of shutting these places down for good, you will be helping your daughter and thousands more like her. A year later I ran out of money and needed to remove my son from the program.

We are from Ohio. My son was facing prison so I felt that I had no choice. My son never progressed in the levels and he talked about the hobbit but I had no idea how awful it was. I believed that his counselor, Laurie was looking out for him. I was in Spring Creek Lodge from I was part of the serenity family.

Funny name to give considering that serenity was the farthest thing from describing this place. I am very happy to hear that this place is closed, but the memories from what the staff members did to me there will stay forever. Did i have a problem growing up as a child, yes, thats why my grandmother sent me there, however no one helped me. I almost felt like the staff wanted us to continue to fail. I dont know how Chaffin and his brother sleep at night.

I hope GOD has mercy on there soul. Are there any accounts of Chaffin or Cameron molesting kids? I saw both of them beat kids up and both of them gave me the creeps.

They both obviously were sadists, and I know that WWASPs employs perverts Robert Lichfield himself has even been rumored to be a rapist , but I just got a particular kind of weird feeling about Chaffin especially.

It will be interesting to hear what kind of testimonies arise as more and more former detainees speak out. In a perfect world these bastards would be in prison. I was in Spring Creek Lodge from to Thank God the program is shut down!!! I endured every type of abuse imaginable there…..

I hope the families of those who have died from the negligence receive justice! Myles cee gavon brodnax in the house. Fuck culkins but the one I hate was jeff colby. This marine wiuld loveeeeee to meet up with colby. What can I say about the program. Mannn I was so shady at that place. They fuckng made me live in the tpee in the winter for like 2 weeks. It was cool cuz I went n stole the staffs ciggs n got to do whatever I wanted. I have to say I got lucky with family fathers though.

Thank god I was in wisdom but our cabin was the shittiest. Hey at least big sky had its own washer n dryer lol I hated the box! It sucked when you had to lug that thing around.

Talk about some gay shit lol they said I would amount to nothing!!!!! Yeah I soent time in jail….. Did my time in tbe marines and served my country in afgan and irq. Now I have 2 kids a sexy ass wife and am a welder in tbe steelworkers union in pittsburgh pa. Do I still have anger issues? Try to put me in the hobbit now. I am not even quite sure where to begin when it comes to Spring Creek.

I was employed there from I started out as night staff and then switched over to day staff. It did not take me long to start having issues with some of the rules and treatment that the students were subject to.

As a staff member I was discouraged by the facility to form friendships with the girls. It was basically my job to monitor and discipline the students.

I loved working with the students and trying to help them work through their problems and difficult situations. I had considered quitting several times because of the way some of the other staff treated the students.

I finally did quit in Sept. That still haunts me that maybe if I was there I could have prevented it. I still think about her and cry on occasion. I am glad that Spring Creek closed. I cant even imagine the intolerable conditions with those racist, unethical, monsters! The good news is I hear they are having major financial struggles. I have heard that they owe vendors thousands and are on the verge of closure!

They apparently have taken very awkward steps to try and stay afloat which unfortunately means poorer quality services for the prisoners. Any idea who these sponsors are? Walter how did you find all this info out i didnt even know this and i went there haha. Can you give me more info?? Pictures of the Racist Chaffin Pullan! Tell me stories of his comments and behaviors!!!! And i played it safe to say the least! I saw some terrifying things there…. And its great to see familiar names!

Hey its lori sherman!! My married name is lori kinder. I would love to chat with you!!! They are trying to lease the old Diamond Ranch property, but it seems that they are broke. Even after the loss of multiple lawsuits, news reports outlining the abuse and new lawsuits filed regularly, they turn a blind eye to hide the children that they broke using the guise of helping them.

I was there from and I was in the Serenity Family — Amy was my house mother. The 3 day seminars way in the back of the woods is something that i will never forget. I hope Chaffin and Cameron get what they deserve. This place was hell. Stephanie i was also in serenity in 99 but later after failed attempts by staff to force me to move up in levels like 3allstar i was transferred to the new family destiny they built above the junior staff cabins.

I remember my stay thers like it was yestetday. I made some life long friends. I was in mike lindermans adoption group. I remember not getting propper shoes or even my shoe laces during winter cause of a prior wilderness program i was in they claimed i could run n survive in the woods.

As a result frostbite. Also the hobbit what a joke i had locked myswlf in the porta potty cause i didnt wanna go back in. They put a hose through the top an turned it on… then knoxked over the porta potty. I have nightmares of the gravel pit an other bullshyt i had to endure. Megan, do you remember me?

Chelsie also Destiny from 99 to I am amazed at how I have blocked so much out. I think I remember Megan. Chelsie, you are right about not remembering everything clearly.

When not even the names of the people I lived with for 2. I am going to be 34 soon and my PTSD is only getting stronger.

High Impact in Mexico definitely did not help and my only reward for graduating that boot camp in Mexico is getting sent back to Spring Creek Lodge until I left at My name is ERic Rios, i was there from I was in respect family, I recall the day I went in October 3, and the day I left April 21, , Anyone remember Tinkerbell the big black guy with cold teet????? Or Jeff Manzanares badass staff member??

Family father of excel. Or was it respect. Excel was next door to you guys. I was there may to april We use to watch movies with u guys on sundays. James matica saw this and got ahold of me…hope ur doing well bro.. Hey I was scl same time and from Orange County ca. I think I met you in a seminar where they made us stick stickers on boys and made us think about all the times the opposite sex screwed us over?

What a creep show those seminars were. I remember they would humiliate people individually I front of everyone bring up serious issues like rape and abuse infront of everyone. Public humiliation and reliving trauma seemed to be their weapon in manipulation.

The counselor I was manated to see one time because I was new at the time told me about crazy mushroom picking he did with his girlfriend and started touching my legs and shit. Did any girl ever have anything similar happen to them? Also Veronica from destiny if you find this please email me! You truly were my only friend j could trust there. Yeah thank god we made it out that shit hole. I was in respect with you bro.

I was in respect with you. Hit me up shelbymorgan47 yahoo. I was also in spring creek lodge back in 97 for 6 weeks. I successfully escaped from that place by stealing a workers truck in middle of night and driving to Spokane Washington and from there I got on a train to san francisco bay area in California.

It was quite an adventure. Sorry to hear that these places lasted so long. I was in Innocence at that time. I remember getting moved downstairs, but could not remember why.

I vaguely remember that if that is you. I was in innocence in I remember Jenna, illiona,Jennifer My madanname Wilson. I was good friends with Jenna. I was in Serenity from If anyone from Serenity during that time would like to reach out you may text or call me Seeing as how we were not allowed to exchange personal contact information during our time there.

I was there when I was transferred to Jamaica. To those who had more trouble re-adjusting back to life, I fully understand. What is their to do to be active in lawsuits? Anyone who remembers me should get at me on facebook. I was in SCL for 22 months from to After about a year I got tired of not being able to have salt on my nasty eggs.

So I began to wkrk my way out. I graduated the program a level 6 and was trainer of the boys off site house. Lets just say I had to play the game to get my life back. This place was a crock. Lies and more lies. Parents if you are reading these claims please listen. Your kids likely do not need to be shipped off to get help. I was sent away because I was a less than desirable child to have in your home.

In and out of juvi, drugs, steeling etc. So yes I was a pain im sure. What people didnt see was my home life.

Alcoholic step father, beaten often, brainwashed and belittled etc. I ran away and did most of the things I did to survive and forget my life. So as unaccountable as it is, was not all my fault. I did make my decisions. And for that I am accountable. But if you think its all your child that has the issues. Take a good hard look at the situation.

More than likely there are some things that you can do or change to help the situation. Places like this do not help kids. Its jail you pay for. Im not trying to condemn anyone.

I know being a parent is challenging. But shipping a child away is no option. Most of the allegations the other people are speaking of I can say for sure are true. I witnessed many myself. And as trainer I nearly became corrupt as the staff at first. I really had to work to stay myself and not be brainwashed.

But I made it out alive. And my heart goes out to anyone who didnt. I am glad this facility closed. And I will end with this. Dont give up on your kids.

I was in Spring Creek back when they first opened up in 96 97 when there was only 2 cabins. My name is danny I was the big guy that got sent there after military school. Dhuston gmail if anyone wants to talk to me from bAck then.

I would like to hear from you guys that were there in the beginning like I was. When it was more like an experiment on kids. All the mind screwing and torture that we went through. I never got sexually assaulted and am sad to hear that it happened but they definitely made me as miserable as they could when I was there. I can remember them taking all my clothes when I got there and not giving them back.

They said it was part of my image or something like that. They made me burn all of my cothes so I had nothing. I remember the song time after time. That place has haunted me for years. I remember the pit, the hobbit and all the bullshit we had to go through. I feel bad for any kid that had to go there. I have so many stories from what went on there but not enough time or space here lol. Anyone who might remember me can email me I would love to hear from you all.

Cameron had a running tab at the local bars. I think, Danny, I remember you. I think him and his wife lived in an old converted school bus somewhere outside of town. I think I remember Eugene because he had a hearing aid that he used to let me wear for fun, and he was an awesome kid from California, too. That place haunts me to this day.

Zach was my friend…and I was sad to hear he passed away of a heroin overdose. He was an instant friend. TJ was a good friend of mine, too — the guy with Cystic Fibrosis who was always doing breathing treatments…we stayed friends afterwards…even went to a concert in Vegas years later…but, sadly, his illness overcame him a few years ago and he passed away.

He fought up until the end, kept his sense of humor throughout…even when he needed a double lung transplant. He was a good friend. A lot of his sarcasm actually helped me get through the insanity we had to experience there.

I do remember a lot of negative things about that place, starting with abuse at Brightway in Utah. I remember a big Samoan guy stealing my clothes never got them back , stealing the Mountain Dew can I got for Christmas, and hitting me and slapping me to wake me up in the middle of the night, telling me walk without shoes into a van outside in the snow, to be driven to Montana from Utah.

The list goes on. Horror stories from the incoming junior staff from Samoa…one guy said they locked him a trunk and floated him at sea, then threw rocks at the trunk while he was inside of it. Yes, Gabe, I remember having to wear only flimsy brown slippers and boxer shorts and walking that way outside while it was snowing. Kids were shivering cold, teeth chattering. Danny thinks that's an easy enough rule to follow, until he sees Rebecca Volpetti!

Sexy Rebecca wastes no time tempting Danny, waiting naked for him in the barn. Danny doesn't want to get fired before he even starts his new job, but the teasing teen is too hot to pass up! Danny gives her the barn house boning she's been craving, but will he get away with fucking the farmer's daughter scot-free?

Horny Raisa gets wrapped up in self-pleasure in this kinky movie fantasy. She is dressed in a sheer top over a sexy black bra, with a black skater skirt and sneakers, and she is carrying a large roll of black plastic wrap.

Cautiously, she enters the building and searches for the ideal spot — then she uses lengths of the wrap to create a mat on the dirt-strewn floor. Next, she strips down to her black-lace lingerie, then removes her panties. Her breath quickens as she rubs her clitoris fervently, licking her fingers to taste herself, squeezing her beautiful breasts and bringing herself to a powerful orgasm.

Today is a hot sunny day thats perfect for some sex. We drove out to the train station where we found this cute girl named Ginebra. We to the talking and we got her to show off her great body before Potro shoves his cock in her mouth. She got naked and sucks cock at a random park that we stopped at. This naughty Euro chick gives up her ass and its great.

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